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Re: Weird lag/controller input /car becomes slowed down

Postby Zytheon on Sun Sep 04, 2016 2:31 am

yes those are my issues. but i can say even during free-play im getting those issues as well. so i dont know if it has to do with any network issues.
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Re: Weird lag/controller input /car becomes slowed down

Postby acme420 on Sun Sep 04, 2016 6:13 am

try this to see if you can isolate the problem.

open a command prompt (windowskey+r, in run prompt type cmd and hit enter). i use shortcuts, but open it however you like. at the command prompt type
ipconfig and hit enter.
it should show you a list of network devices on your computer. find the one you use to connect to the internet/game servers if you have multiple cards. locate your Default Gateway(this is the first place your computer touches "the internet"), if you're behind a router it will most likely say 192.168.xxx.xxx sometimes 10.10.xxx.xxx note it down somehow.
next you will type
ping 127.0.0.1 -n 50 and hit enter
this will send packets to yourself (your network card will do a self test) 127.0.0.1 is called your home address if you didn't know. it's your internal address for loopback. you may have seen the jokes on the doormats and house signs. this will send 50 packets to your network card and let you know if it's having a hardware malfunction. 50 should be enough but any number you like if good. you just have to wait. but do a good number so you can catch an intermittent issue. i believe the standard rate is like 1 per second (1000ms. 999 ping means it takes 1 whole second to send 1 packet of information) so 60 times should take about a minute.
anyway if all is well the ping results should all be less than <1ms with 0 lost packets.
now that you know the problem isn't your network card itself you will test your connection between the router and your computer. you will do the same test but on the gateway this time.
in the cmd prompt type
ping YOUR GATEWAY IP -n 50
make sure you are pinging the default gateway and not the SUBNET MASK. the result should ideally come back the same as when you did the loopback test(<1ms). certainly less than 20ms in the worst cases. anything higher than that to the gateway and you are already having issues. you should not see any or too much fluctuation in the pings. and you should see 0% lost packets. if you are on a wireless connection you might see spikes. for a wireless connection i would actually do 100 packets. gives you a longer time to find any random interference that occurs on a regular interval. might be some sort of device nearby crossing signals/ causing interference. if so you can try adjusting any antennae on your respective routers and networking cards to see if you can get a better quality signal (more barrrz son!). if you don't have antenna and in conjunction to adjusting their position you can try changing the channel on either your router or in the networking card hardware settings themselves.
after you've eliminated those as possibilities you can next test the internet connection itself. *inplace ghost edit* almost forgot if you know your ip address (http://www.whatismyipaddress.com) you can ping your ip address too. this will not be the same as when you tested the ping locally this is a remote test. use this site. http://mxtoolbox.com/SuperTool.aspx *boo*

if you have a list of some of the psyonix servers you have connected to in the past (game logs) you can run the same tests on each of those. or just one, however many you feel you need to isolate the issue. still in diagnosis mode. if you don't then you can just ping any network you know of or website that's not behind your gateway i.e. inside your local network.
in console enter ping http://www.google.com -n xx
check the result same as before. if everything was fine before then your problem will most likely be here. check several websites. google has servers everywhere so when you ping google it will most likely be right near you, might be on your second hop from your router. ping http://www.apple.com , try thewhitehouse.gov (i hope that's not the porno site one), some foreign sites if you know of any. or even just instead of .com try different large well established website urls at .fr (france) .uk (um... the uk) .pl , .ro , .se (props to sweden for the fastest internet for EVERYONE) .kr (shout out to south korea for like the fastest internet in the entire world :cough:36th p:cough:) etc... i think mexico is .mx

anyway...
when (if?) you find any high ping times, lost packets (timeouts) etc, the you know the problem (at least part of it) is the internet.
next we need to do some more isolation to see if we can find out where the problem is specifically.
in the cmd prompt type tracert INTERNET ADDRESS/IP ADDRESS and hit enter
this might take a while. this command will ping whatever destination you put in but it will also ask every router/switch along the route (hop) to relay back it's address as well as it's ping times. some routers block this so that nerds can't ddos. and you will either get back only the ping times and nothing for the name/ip. sometimes they wont respond at all. this is a tricky situation is you don't get a response. either that router is so laggy that it's timing out (not responding in a timely manner and being skipped for the next test) or it's just not returning info. but between the first hop (the spot where your modem itself actually touches the internet) and the last you should be able to see a pattern of ping times. if it's pretty even or a gradual increase from you to the destination then it's just network traffic (lag little g) and nothing you can do about that but try closer servers. if you see that it starts off low and suddenly just get's much higher ping times than before that point then you know that there is a bad hop in your routing.

HOORAY you found the trouble. congratulations. call your ISP maybe they can make a better route for you (although i think most of these is done with switching/balancing automatically these days) or maybe you can find a way to contact the owner of that server and tell them there's an issue might just need to be restarted/replaced/updated tables? #googlethatshit

if you see that the pings are normal in the beginning and the end but you see some high times in the middle could be the same as above, or might just be those ones don't respond to icmp.

if none of that testing determines anything then you need to check other hardware on your computer. or it's on psyonix and their crap ass servers (J/K lol :D <3 #RLisdatnewcrack) once more #googledatshit

also forgot to add if you get lag spikes on your local network testing (to router/default gateway) and you are on a WIRED connection then there might be a problem with your cable or router. replace cable, then update router firmware, then replace router in that order. testing at each step of course lol ;)

also meant to add your default gateway and your first hop might not be the same thing. if you have a router connected to a modem connected to the internet then when you do the trace the FIRST HOP is your modem and not the internet, the second hop is the spot where your modem actually connects to the ISP. any lag between your computer and the actual first hop to the internet is ALL YOU HOMIE! so test is all before you have to end up sitting on a line with a tier1 tech rebooting your computer and modem. don't be hard on them either, tier 1 tech support is a hard ass **** job with little rewards, so don't be a dick when you call, if you ever have to call your "company for support" if you have isolated the issue and wanna go to the next level guys who can do real shit for you. then you gotta either go through the motions with em (they have guidelines and steps they MUST follow in order to get you higher up) or you can just "tell em" you already called and did that and the issue is still present (be nice) and they'll get you hooked up. holy WOT Batman!.

sorry no TL;DR version. the TLDR is you still have issues, sucks to be you man.
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Re: Weird lag/controller input /car becomes slowed down

Postby acme420 on Sun Sep 04, 2016 6:19 am

coincidentally i came here while waiting for matchmaking to find me a game...prolly 30 minutes to an hour or (lets hope not) more ago ...i have it windowed so i can see it with my browser up...still hasn't found me a game lol 3/4 playlists selected and supposedly 13's of thousands of people on.

i hope all this slow matchmaking and lag spikes this past week (it's really when it's gotten horrendous for me) are just because psyonix are silently rolling out updates on all their servers in preperation for thursday. i imagine a new feature with such large gameplay and code implementations and the additions of the trading and store/key/crate system would require a massive server side change too and all should be well and mostly back to awesome by friday?

crossed fingers...cuz this is turrrble...


spose' we could also blame it on HERMOINE (would have been a better name ijs) since i'm down near the toes... ;)
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Re: Weird lag/controller input /car becomes slowed down

Postby Zytheon on Sun Sep 04, 2016 8:28 am

lol dude with that big chunk of text about fixing stuff about the network. I just wrote a text before that i got the problem even in freeplay, i even tried logging in steam offline to launch RL to test it out in freeplay. So , no its not my internet issue . u copy pasted in from somewhere?
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Re: Weird lag/controller input /car becomes slowed down

Postby acme420 on Sun Sep 04, 2016 8:47 am

no i wrote it. and i covered that in the post i wrote too. i guess you didn't read it?
also you must be a special guy to think i wrote all that just for you :)

IIRC there are others with similar issues no?

at any rate the issues you're describing match with what i'm trying to show in my video, and my issues sound to be the same thing which seems to be lost packets. i'm trying to help people solve their issues. have you don'e connectivity tests already to rule that out? you know that the game connects to the internet all the time right? even when you aren't playing online you're connected to steam and or psyonix servers or both depending on what information is being passed? unless you have blocked their ip's in your hosts and or disconnected your internet completely...they're still back there...listening...all it takes is one packet being sent for updates every <insert interval here> or so to have a delay/error and be the cause of your issues. i myself personally with shoe on other foot would be exhausting all possibilities till i figured out what was vexing me.

oh wait...i am...by asking people to run tests so we can work together and find the cause of the issue that seems to be troubling at least a few people based on these threads.
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Re: Weird lag/controller input /car becomes slowed down

Postby Zytheon on Sun Sep 04, 2016 9:28 am

yea ok, sry if i sound rude to you or anything , just really frustrated for weeks and searching for all kinds of solution and none is working out.
so , if i used a torrented cracked copy of RL and still got the same issue? what has it gotta say? theres problems in my hardware ? and ive tested on few other comps and got the same issue too?
ive tested on my connections and the pings look fine . So ive really got no idea whats going on.
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Re: Weird lag/controller input /car becomes slowed down

Postby acme420 on Sun Sep 04, 2016 1:51 pm

the only difference between cracked and legit copy of RL is the cdkey checks. it's mostly multiplayer game it's built into the game code to try and contact psyonix for certain information it needs to run. cracks just bypass the server key check.

i think if you add psyonix.com and prolly steampowered.com to your firewall and block all comunication then test again you can be certain it's prolly not internet related that way too.
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Re: Weird lag/controller input /car becomes slowed down

Postby Prophet 999 on Tue Sep 06, 2016 8:19 am

Better yet, disconnect entirely from the internet, and test it out. Temporarily turn off the wifi, unplug your Ethernet cord, etc. Do a fresh reboot, and give rocket league a spin. Let us know how that performs.
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Re: Weird lag/controller input /car becomes slowed down

Postby bhodges1983 on Mon Sep 12, 2016 11:11 am

Zytheon any updates?
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Re: Weird lag/controller input /car becomes slowed down

Postby Prophet 999 on Mon Sep 12, 2016 3:36 pm

One other thing to add on to my previous suggestion, I believe it was mentioned, was download the Microsoft accessories app, and ensure you have the latest firmware for your controller.
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Re: Weird lag/controller input /car becomes slowed down

Postby Zytheon on Fri Sep 16, 2016 1:28 am

Sorry guys, forgot to update this thread.
Well, previously I was trying to wait and see if the rumble update would eliminate the issue away. Apparently it did for roughly about an hour or so, when the issue came back again.
So further researching and messing around to see if any thing else can solve the issue, I found that uninstalling my Antivirus and changing to another one sometimes help, sometimes won't. So I'm not sure if the Antivirus is one of the cause of it. Previously was using avast Antivirus , then switched to panda Antivirus, then to immunet Antivirus and now currently on Sophos Antivirus. For the mean time it seems to be playable for abit with still abit of the lag, but not sure when the issue will be full back again.
To prophet999, yes I was using the Xbox accessories to have the latest drivers for my controller all this while. And it doesn't seem to affect in any way with the lag.
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Re: Weird lag/controller input /car becomes slowed down

Postby acme420 on Mon Sep 19, 2016 6:44 am

i'm quite certain these issues are all lag related and the way the netcode of the game handles dropped packets. i have another video that captures the lag perfectly. most replays never show how it looks to the player, but somehow i managed to save a replay that shows the lag spikes and the ball telelporting and the way your movememnts don't register on server. i'll upload it hopefully in the next day or two. busy busy.
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Re: Weird lag/controller input /car becomes slowed down

Postby acme420 on Sat Sep 24, 2016 2:03 pm

https://youtu.be/0aRxt7qjL90

finally got around to uploading video. warning [muffled rap music playing in the distance]
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Re: Weird lag/controller input /car becomes slowed down

Postby acme420 on Sat Sep 24, 2016 2:12 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZ5t_CJrDSM

this is a video of what i thought was people or a person hacking. some sort of thing where they make it lag on demand. seems like lag spikes exactly right as you or they are about to take a shot on goal. no other time. might just be netcode? still investigating, could be like ram or power supply too...
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Re: Weird lag/controller input /car becomes slowed down

Postby Voltio on Sat Sep 24, 2016 2:39 pm

acme420 wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZ5t_CJrDSM

this is a video of what i thought was people or a person hacking. some sort of thing where they make it lag on demand. seems like lag spikes exactly right as you or they are about to take a shot on goal. no other time. might just be netcode? still investigating, could be like ram or power supply too...


Stop spamming m8!, just edit your comment so you can add more info .
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Re: Weird lag/controller input /car becomes slowed down

Postby Zytheon on Mon Sep 26, 2016 11:29 pm

oh man.. nobody else has any other updates on this? is there really such a minority of us that is having this problem?
Now the speed of my game becomes quite absurb , it can be smooth at times , then getting even faster then normal with my car being able to turn even quicker than normal and then it will all of a sudden turn stiff in movement and the car will just seems to become so in jumps , aerialling and turning. Really, it has been so long, still unable to find what's the source of it .
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Re: Weird lag/controller input /car becomes slowed down

Postby l0wcrow on Sun Oct 02, 2016 7:36 pm

Hey Guys!

I was suffering for so long - tried everything but I wasnt able to find the problem. I am pretty sure I was facing the same issue - this rubberbanding/warping, steering was unpredictable, it was awful. I stopped playing ranked, then unranked/rumble before I said myself a couple days ago this is unplayable and no fun anymore and I stopped playing this awesome game FeelsBadMan

Well, yesterday I discovered this tool: http://www.uwe-sieber.de/usbtreeview_e.html ( When using the tool make sure you have started the game, so the controller is active and in use )

It shows everything about your mainboard usb controller and all connected devices. At the bottom you can see EnumTimes Devs and USB. I saw high value for both Devs: ~300ms and USB: 350ms I wasnt even sure what it excatly means, something with response yeah - if you press f5 its refreshing the values and i saw bothh values junping +-150 and sometimes go up to 1000ms or 2000ms. Pretty sure thats not okay. I asked a friend and he made a screenshot of his devs and USB and it was much lower and he also said there are no jumps at all +-1

I did a few things before I tested Rocket League again...

1. I updated my Bios to the newest version ( btw make sure your bios usb settings are fine, you can check with the tool perfectly if all ports are working as they should )
2. After long searching I found newer drivers for my intel usb 3.0 extensible Hostcontroller. In case you have Intel® 8/9/100 Series and Intel® C220/C610 Chipset Family and you using windows 7 you can use these driver: https://downloadcenter.intel.com/downlo ... set-Family ( Check with tool again if everything is fine )
3. I searched for a newer version for my ps3 controller! When I bought the PS3 Controller last year I searched on yt "how to connect ps3" and installed the drivers from a link in the description. It was scp ds3 not motionjoy and worked perfectly. In my testings the past weeks I honestly just googled shortly if there are new drivers - didnt found anything after first try, thought my current drivers were okay...Yesterday I searched again and found new one: http://forums.pcsx2.net/Thread-XInput-W ... Controller
This is the source you should download the drivers for ps3/ps4, its the original forum 2 Million plus downloads

I started the game, entered Free Play and from this point it was just beatiful, like rocket league 2.0. No more Input-Lag nothing :) I started the usbtreeview tool the first time after installing the stuff above and I saw some surprise, much lower and more important steady values. USB never changed at 156ms and devs was between 62ms-78ms. I really hope this is fixing the problem for you guys aswell. No joke when I discovered this game last year life got better - this was the game I was searching for so long for streaming and when this problem started it was so frustrating and I got mad - man I really hope you guys can fix it! I really think it wasnt the bios or intel driver, I guess it was the driver for the controller I always used and never thought this would be the problem, tested weeks all stuff but well now I am just happy.

gl guys!
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Re: Weird lag/controller input /car becomes slowed down

Postby l0wcrow on Sun Oct 02, 2016 7:58 pm

My prevoius post have to be approved first! I just read the startpost again and noticed you dont use ps3/ps4 and also not the guy in the other thread i was watching the past weeks: viewtopic.php?f=34&t=25973

This means its probably not the updated ps3 driver I have used and its either the bios upgrade or what I think the updated intel usb 3 driver. Just checked for your board zytheon, u need the ASMedia ASM104x, V1.16.24.0 , on the asus page the driver is outdated.

Make sure your bios settings are correct, if not enabled in bios you are not able to install the usb 3 drivers. The tool I posted in the post where I wait for approval is awesome to see if stuff is working. If you dont get low and stable values it has to be a hw issue!
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Re: Weird lag/controller input /car becomes slowed down

Postby whAtevercs on Tue Oct 04, 2016 3:39 pm

I've had the same problem since S2 got released, got a new computer with i7 6700k, 32gig 2666mhz RAM, asus gtx 1080 and the same problems starts happening after a while of playing. The game start to feel sluggish and frames arent rendering as quick and fluid like they do when u first start up the game. Almost looks a bit like frame tearing but it isnt. The game reacts slower to the control input because of this which gives a feeling of input lag. It feels like the game has some kind of memory leak that happens after a while of playing. Temps of components doesnt go above 55degrees celcius. Played with a ps3 controller before and thought the drivers(motioninjoy w betterDS3 or SCP server) was causing the sluggishness problem but nope. Now using a PS4 controller and same things happen. The ps3 controller drivers both alter the physics of the game in small different ways too, something worth checking into aswell devs? Using latest Nvidia drivers 372.90, uninstalled last one with DDU. No background programs running except spotify. W10 is a fresh install.

Too many people have now complained about the same problems so I feel devs should put more resources looking into this problem.
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Re: Weird lag/controller input /car becomes slowed down

Postby Naroc on Wed Oct 05, 2016 12:37 pm

Zytheon wrote:oh man.. nobody else has any other updates on this? is there really such a minority of us that is having this problem?
Now the speed of my game becomes quite absurb , it can be smooth at times , then getting even faster then normal with my car being able to turn even quicker than normal and then it will all of a sudden turn stiff in movement and the car will just seems to become so in jumps , aerialling and turning. Really, it has been so long, still unable to find what's the source of it .


This is my exact problem with my wired ps4 controller(Also had the issue with 360). I have tried numerous fixes, most are in this thread.
I have:
-Updated drivers/bios/usb/every other thing known to man
-Filtered out 3rd party software
-Made sure RL was the only app running
-Internet is running fine
-Tweaked graphics to potato mode
-Changed controller deadzone
-etc etc

My FPS in game is very stable. There is no stuttering whatsoever. My issue is what Zytheon described. I can be playing in free play or online matches and my car will act like a brick on wheels, just very slow and sluggish. Air rolls and flips on the ground feel like I'm in low gravity. I'll queue up again or reboot the game and suddenly I'm flipping at normal speeds and the game feels completely fine. There are other times where it just feels way too fast.

It's a very unique issue that I have been dealing with for months now. I can't pinpoint what is causing it.
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