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Farmers so brazen their account name is "farmer"

PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:56 am
by spaceboy
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I don't think I will waste my time reporting them anymore. When the farmers actually name their accounts 'farmer' and Psyonix' "anti bot detection software" can't even pick that up.........lol ....I know where my 'reports' are going.....File 13.

Anyway, if this is going to be tolerated, the best way to resolve this issue is for Psyonix to do what players have done in TF2, and that is creat dedicated idle / farming / chat servers where people and bots go to screw around and farm. They're already paying for the servers for these bots as it is, and they're clearly not enforcing anything, so I doubt their cost would go up.

This way, the farmers get what they want without ruining actual games.

Re: Farmers so brazen their account name is "farmer"

PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:20 am
by Galactic Geek
If they're allowed to farm, they do ruin the actual game because it gives them an edge in the in-game economy, since they'll have more. So, don't give up! Report away! It does make a difference! Every little bit helps!

Re: Farmers so brazen their account name is "farmer"

PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:47 am
by Chains
How does getting an edge in the in-game economy ruin the actual game? The actual game is soccer played with cars, unless you bought the game specifically to play the Rocket League economy.

Re: Farmers so brazen their account name is "farmer"

PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:09 am
by Galactic Geek
Trading is a part of the actual game, yes, even if you may not believe it to be. While I myself would rather play, I do have friends who spend more time trading than they do playing. In any case, that's besides the point because the point of this thread has to do with farming and what is or isn't being done about it.

Re: Farmers so brazen their account name is "farmer"

PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:36 am
by Volodesi
I don't care about trading until they add in their own in-game trading system. Like a Auction house of sorts.

Would like my trading to have as little human interaction as possible.

Re: Farmers so brazen their account name is "farmer"

PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:39 pm
by OsoMako
Volodesi wrote:I don't care about trading until they add in their own in-game trading system. Like a Auction house of sorts.

Would like my trading to have as little human interaction as possible.

This right here is the easiest way to avoid scammers. Want to trade in person? That should be sketchy. Just use the GE / Auction House :P

Items would probably plummet in value for a little while, but I think it'd be well worth it.

Re: Farmers so brazen their account name is "farmer"

PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:51 pm
by NoOne-NBA
For me it would be less about avoiding scams, and more about convenience.

I've got a few items I'm looking to buy at the moment, and have the keys to do so, but most of the people advertising them on Rocket League Garage are in Germany, and go offline before I get home from work.
If I could get on whenever I want, and make the trade through an Auction House, it would simplify things at my end immensely.

Re: Farmers so brazen their account name is "farmer"

PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:45 pm
by Bacon
OsoMako wrote:
Volodesi wrote:I don't care about trading until they add in their own in-game trading system. Like a Auction house of sorts.

Would like my trading to have as little human interaction as possible.

This right here is the easiest way to avoid scammers. Want to trade in person? That should be sketchy. Just use the GE / Auction House :P

Items would probably plummet in value for a little while, but I think it'd be well worth it.


It would also prevent people from spending the first 30 seconds of a match typing "trade?" in chat, while a ball rolls slowly past them into the net.

Re: Farmers so brazen their account name is "farmer"

PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:06 am
by spaceboy
Chains wrote:How does getting an edge in the in-game economy ruin the actual game? The actual game is soccer played with cars, unless you bought the game specifically to play the Rocket League economy.

Because the farmer bots don't play soccer with cars. They sit there like bricks, or they bounce up and down over and over, or they drive around randomly. So, actually, the farmers DID buy the game to play the economy.

If the farmer bots actually played the game as well as the official AI bots, I would probably never notice or care....well, not care as much anyway. I do care that they are raking in drops and crates and padding their inventory at a much faster rate than I am. When they buy stuff off of trade sites, they are effectively getting a big discount, maybe 25%, maybe 50%, maybe more, since they're just raking in free stuff and trading up into keys on the trade sites.

And when new crates release, they are going for about 3 keys on day one, then 2 keys, and then 1 key for a few days, depending. I've only nabbed 2 Velocities this time and sold for 4 keys. Imagine what these guys are making in the first 3 days? $25, $50, $100? Depends on how many bots they are running.

But the bottom line is, I bought the game to play it. Trading is a fringe benefit....which I do love, ftr, but when I join a game, I join to play, and the farmers ruin that.

Re: Farmers so brazen their account name is "farmer"

PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:04 pm
by Lifted
spaceboy wrote: When the farmers actually name their accounts 'farmer' and Psyonix' "anti bot detection software" can't even pick that up.........lol ....I know where my 'reports' are going.....File 13.


Are you implying Psyonix staff should do an automatic search of every Steam/PSN/Xbox Live account with the word "farmer" in it and automatically ban those accounts?
Next thing we know, poor FarmerJoe82 tries to log on to play some Rocket League after sweating away on the fields growing crops all day and sees his account is banned.

Or should they manually watch every replay of every game with someone named "%Farmer%" in it to search for botters?

Galactic Geek wrote:Trading is a part of the actual game, yes, even if you may not believe it to be. While I myself would rather play, I do have friends who spend more time trading than they do playing. In any case, that's besides the point because the point of this thread has to do with farming and what is or isn't being done about it.


As someone who's played since before the trading system was implemented, I could honestly care less about cosmetic items. I'm playing the same game whether I'm using shiny colorful wheels or OEMs. It is unfortunate, however, that at lower levels of gameplay/MMR botters are more frequent and I could see how that would be annoying.
However, it's more predominant in casual and I could care less about whether I win or lose in a casual game mode.

Re: Farmers so brazen their account name is "farmer"

PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:27 pm
by Alias
What they should do is make it so that crates don't drop unless you score over 100 points. That would stop most of the AFK farming.

Re: Farmers so brazen their account name is "farmer"

PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:34 am
by Galactic Geek
Lifted wrote:However, it's more predominant in casual and I could care less about whether I win or lose in a casual game mode.

The fact that you don't care is irrelevant. What matters is that we care about it, and you should too - it ruins the fun of the game for others, and sends a wrong message; and while it may only be more prevalent at lower levels (I'm a legend and still see them...), it's still a very serious issue, if not more so, because it may cause newer players who are trying to pickup the game to drop it entirely, since they aren't having fun - and frequently, in their eyes. Do you NOT want the RL community to grow? Personally, I'd like to see how far it can go, and the same applies to Psyonix and how far they're willing to address this issue.

Re: Farmers so brazen their account name is "farmer"

PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 9:02 am
by mig0
spaceboy wrote:http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac23/spaceboy909/farmers_zpsydjaf8i9.jpg

I don't think I will waste my time reporting them anymore. When the farmers actually name their accounts 'farmer' and Psyonix' "anti bot detection software" can't even pick that up.........lol ....I know where my 'reports' are going.....File 13.

Anyway, if this is going to be tolerated, the best way to resolve this issue is for Psyonix to do what players have done in TF2, and that is creat dedicated idle / farming / chat servers where people and bots go to screw around and farm. They're already paying for the servers for these bots as it is, and they're clearly not enforcing anything, so I doubt their cost would go up.

This way, the farmers get what they want without ruining actual games.


They won't need to go to that extreme. All they need to do is enable these item drops in private matches. Which I favor anyway because I want to play with my nephews without dealing with online play but end up playing casual instead because of item drops. The farmers will farm in their own matches and get out of my way.

Re: Farmers so brazen their account name is "farmer"

PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:07 pm
by spaceboy
Lifted wrote:
spaceboy wrote: When the farmers actually name their accounts 'farmer' and Psyonix' "anti bot detection software" can't even pick that up.........lol ....I know where my 'reports' are going.....File 13.


Are you implying Psyonix staff should do an automatic search of every Steam/PSN/Xbox Live account with the word "farmer" in it and automatically ban those accounts?
Next thing we know, poor FarmerJoe82 tries to log on to play some Rocket League after sweating away on the fields growing crops all day and sees his account is banned.

Or should they manually watch every replay of every game with someone named "%Farmer%" in it to search for botters?


Automatic ban for the word? No, but words like 'farmer' and 'bot' should trigger the software and put them on a list for review. A basic stat check will easily categorize the account into 'green, yellow and red' categories. And once someone is cleared an put on the green list, like FarmerJoe, they'll never be looked at again unless someone reports them.

Much of the botting problem can be dealt with automatically, and the rest can be filtered for manual review with well designed algorithms, which they clearly do not have, otherwise they would detect when a car is doing circles in the opposing goal for 5 minutes.

Ironically, if the jerks who design these programs would actually design them better, on the level of the Psy bots, so that they are actually playing the game, then this aspect of the botting wouldn't be an issue. It would still be an economic issue for traders, but at least people could always be guaranteed a half way decent game.

And ironically again, if Psyonix would increase the power of their bot detection, it would have the effect of forcing bot devs to design better bots, ultimately ones that actually play the game instead of bouncing up and down or driving around in the goal net.

But for whatever reason, Psyonix has chosen not to do the work, and some of us are paying for it.

I think, as a hobby, I'll start making youtube videos of all my bot experiences. Maybe that will help put some pressure on them.